Why I hate Gandhi- Inspection of Gandhi Error Part 1

Gandhi and Martin Luther King were successful not because they used peaceful methods, but because their opponents were democracies.

Defunct blog: “if Gandhi had been Jewish, we would have never heard of him. Gandhi’s passive resistance was a testament to British morality, not to peace as a weapon because Hitler never would have stopped to listen. Gandhi’s tactic worked because the British are basically good people. Same with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.”

Gandhi on WW2: “During World War II, Gandhi penned an open letter to the British people, urging them to surrender to the Nazis. Later, when the extent of the holocaust was known, he criticized Jews who had tried to escape or fight for their lives as they did in Warsaw and Treblinka. “The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife,” he said. “They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.” “Collective suicide,” he told his biographer, “would have been heroism.””

I have a question for Gandhi: So the adults (several million of them!) throw themselves off cliffs. I understand that, but how about the babies? Should the Jews kill their children, toddlers and babies themselves, or let the Nazis kill them, one would like to ask the idiot Gandhi.

neo-neocon on Gandhi:

“The transformative power of nonviolent non-cooperation was something Gandhi had, quite literally, staked his life on, and it was an article of faith to him that it could (and should!) be applied universally.” And so he suggested the Jews apply it to Hitler: “His suggestion shows a profound lack of understanding of human nature

Gandhi, like so many colonial revolutionaries, was obsessed with the idea that Indian independence would be the glorious promised land. It never occurred to him there could be any downside. It is little recognised that Gandhi’s revolution led directly to a bloodbath that killed maybe 500,000 people, and the setting up of the tyranny of Pakistan, still perhaps the main incubator of terrorism in the world today. “By the sheer force of his personality he managed to hold together a movement against the British that ended up with a measure of success in terms of winning Indian independence. But that initial success was followed by the unleashing of internal forces of violence of such an extreme nature that they dwarfed any outrages the British had committed in India. … Gandhi’s methods were utterly powerless against the violence between Moslem and Hindu, as opposed to his relative success against the British colonial authorities.”

Reflections on Gandhi, George Orwell, 1949: “there is reason to think that Gandhi, who after all was born in 1869, did not understand the nature of totalitarianism and saw everything in terms of his own struggle against the British government. … he believed in “arousing the world,” which is only possible if the world gets a chance to hear what you are doing. It is difficult to see how Gandhi’s methods could be applied in a country where opponents of the regime disappear in the middle of the night and are never heard of again. Without a free press and the right of assembly, it is impossible not merely to appeal to outside opinion, but to bring a mass movement into being, or even to make your intentions known to your adversary. Is there a Gandhi in Russia at this moment?”

Mahatma Gandhi on Muslim massacres of Hindus and Sikhs:

“I would tell the Hindus to face death cheerfully if the Muslims are out to kill them. I would be a real sinner if after being stabbed I wished in my last moment that my son should seek revenge. I must die without rancour. … You may turn round and ask whether all Hindus and all Sikhs should die. Yes, I would say. Such martyrdom will not be in vain.”

He criticised refugees fleeing the Pakistani jihad, and told them to go back and die:

“I am grieved to learn that people are running away from the West Punjab and I am told that Lahore is being evacuated by the non-Muslims. I must say that this is what it should not be. If you think Lahore is dead or is dying, do not run away from it, but die with what you think is the dying Lahore.”

Hitler actually explicitly said that Gandhi’s tactics would not have worked with him. At a meeting with Lord Halifax in 1937, Hitler advised the British to:

“Shoot Gandhi – and if that does not suffice to reduce them to submission, shoot a dozen leading members of Congress; and if that does not suffice, shoot two hundred and so on until order is established. You will see how quickly they will collapse as soon as you make it clear that you mean business.”